Personalized Healthcare
Melissa Campbell is a board certified nurse practitioner with 14 years of practice. She graduated from the University of Kansas Medical Center in 2010. She has a background in cardiology and hospital medicine. During the COVID pandemic in 2020, she returned to the bedside for over a year, to take care of patients in the intensive care unit. She traveled to Texas, Arizona, and Wisconsin.
She is an active member of the Academy of Innovative and Preventative Medicine by Worldlink Medical, specializing in mastering hormone therapy optimization based on HRT evidence based literature. Worldlink Medical is a community of forward thinking, progressive medical and legal professionals that are like minded and wish to transform healthcare Intelligent Health.
She has studied the scientific principles behind plant based medicine including the chemical constituents of plants, their pharmacological actions, and how they interact with the human body.
She also attended Functional Medicine University focusing on the root causes of diseases. Her studies there included nutrition, lifestyle interventions, stress management, the role of genetics in health, advanced lab testing, and functional medicine diagnostics.
Melissa believes in a personalized and integrative approach, addressing the unique needs of each individual. She is dedicated to helping others achieve optimal health and well-being.
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Brad Burrow (00:00:01):
Welcome to In a World With Real Media. I’m your host, Brad Burrow. In this podcast, we’ll dive into the lives of the most successful people in business. We’ll learn how they overcame adversity, took advantage of opportunities and learned from their experiences. Learn from our experts. Get inspired, then go live your story. It’s in a world with Real Media. Hello and welcome to the In A World With Real Media Podcast. I’m Brad Burrow, and today we have special guest, Melissa Campbell, who is a nurse practitioner and the founder of Intelligent Health and Brian Price, her partner I’m really excited about today because I think we’re going to educate people just like I was educated about six weeks ago or whenever it was. I’ve known for a long time that there are problems that are universal with our food supply, with things that are happening, the health epidemic. I was telling you, I watched another podcast the other day with Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson came out and said the number one health problem that people have is insulin resistance.
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And I agree with that. And so I want to get your thoughts on that. But before we get into all of those things, because be prepared to take, this is one of those podcasts, you’re going to want to take notes. I mean, you’re going to want to understand what’s happening. But Melissa, I wanted to just first get a little bit of your background, how you got to the place where you are right now, coming through the health system. And then Brian, I want to talk about your background owning a painting company, the stresses of that, the stresses of life that kind of got you to a point where you needed to go through Melissa’s program and look at you, you’re transformed, right?
Brian Price (00:02:01):
Yeah, it’s amazing.
Brad Burrow (00:02:02):
So Melissa, if you can start first, just tell me why’d you get into medicine? Tell me a little bit where you grew up. Just give us the 4 1 1 about you.
Melissa Campbell (00:02:11):
I’m from Overland Park, Kansas. I’m born and raised. I grew up with some allergies and health issues. I also had an uncle who was chronically ill, so it seemed like I was always around the healthcare system. ’em went into nursing and then went on to get my master’s at ku. I graduated from their program in 2010, and my first job was working with a cardiology practice, and I did that for six years. Was
Brad Burrow (00:02:50):
That here in Kansas City?
Melissa Campbell (00:02:52):
Yeah, it was Overland Park cardiovascular and associated with Park Regional Medical Center. And then I worked there as a hospitalist as well. And then for COVID, I left the hospitalist realm and I went and I worked COVID in two places in Texas, Wisconsin, and Arizona. So it was very Did you
Brad Burrow (00:03:22):
Travel all those places? Is that right?
Melissa Campbell (00:03:25):
For about a year and a half, I was very active on the front lines of the pandemic. And then my father got sick with stage four colon cancer, and so that brought me back home. And then shortly after, once he kind of stabilized, I went back to working as a hospitalist. I worked for a little bit at DePaul in St. Louis, and then came out to Advent South Overland Park, and then eventually opened Intelligent Health.
Brad Burrow (00:04:06):
Now, how long ago was that? Do you remember when you started Intelligent Health?
Melissa Campbell (00:04:11):
I opened it part-time about a year ago. I’d say,
Brad Burrow (00:04:16):
Okay, it’s going well. We’re hearing lots of great things.
Melissa Campbell (00:04:18):
Yeah, so we went full-time the beginning of January, and that’s been awesome because now I’m just kind of as needed at the hospital and getting to do this, which is what I’m really passionate about full time.
Brad Burrow (00:04:34):
Okay. So Brian, we’re going to come back to you. I promise You’re good. Your eye candy, right? Yeah. No, you’re good. You’re good. So first, explain what a nurse practitioner is, because you can write prescriptions, you can diagnose issues. I mean, you’re really a doctor.
Melissa Campbell (00:04:52):
So our training is, it’s two different schools of thought, and we go through a master’s program, and I believe now you have to have your doctorate, but we are taught to diagnose, treat. We write prescriptions, we see patients, and there are many states now that are independent practice states like Kansas, to where we can practice on our own. So where a physician assistant has to work under a physician, nurse practitioners can be autonomous and practice independently.
Brad Burrow (00:05:40):
I don’t know why we need doctors other than if you get in a car wreck or something or some major illness. Why would we go somewhere else?
Melissa Campbell (00:05:47):
Well, there’s different specialties and we have our scope of practice, but obviously we respect our, and all the rigorous training that they do, which is more than what we do. And so if we get into a situation where maybe we’re not quite sure or we need more help, we have them there to support us. And in the hospitals, we collaborate as a team. So the nurse practitioner may be seeing all the new admissions in the hospital while the physician is coming behind them and seeing all the patients that they’re rounding on and discharges.
Brad Burrow (00:06:31):
Yeah. Awesome. So Brian, let’s switch to you just a little bit here. So give me a little bit of your background. So you have a painting company?
Brian Price (00:06:38):
Yep.
Brad Burrow (00:06:40):
Stressful owning a business, right? Yes.
Brian Price (00:06:42):
Yes.
Brad Burrow (00:06:43):
Tell me a little bit about just your background up before meeting Melissa.
Brian Price (00:06:48):
Yeah, so I’m from Kansas City as well. Funny story, actually, we grew up three blocks from each other. I didn’t not know that. Yeah, yeah.
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Really?
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Yeah. That’s crazy. So I’m a couple years older than her, but actually where I lived, I walked past her house every morning on my way to school, so middle school. So funny story. So we figured that out way afterwards.
Brad Burrow (00:07:09):
Did you know each other?
Brian Price (00:07:10):
No, I was a couple years ahead of her. So when she was going into middle school, I was going into high school and she was going, and then I switched high school, so we went to different high schools. Feels like we need some twilight, some music right now. Yeah, we figured that out. It was crazy that,
Melissa Campbell (00:07:25):
And he knew one of my really good friends. I just didn’t know him.
Brian Price (00:07:28):
Yeah. So yeah, so born and raised in Overland Park, went to K State, got a degree in psychology, actually. Oh, is there a problem here? Yeah. No, do you do this all the time? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But was kind of always in that realm of wanting to help people and do that sort of stuff. But
Melissa Campbell (00:07:50):
Yeah. Then you worked as a child abuse investigator?
Brian Price (00:07:52):
Yeah, I was a child abuse investigator. No kidding. For DFS on the Missouri side.
Melissa Campbell (00:07:57):
No
Brian Price (00:07:57):
Kidding. Wow. So I did that and licensed foster parents for four years.
Brad Burrow (00:08:02):
That’s a whole nother podcast
Brian Price (00:08:04):
Right there. Yeah, that’s a whole nother thing. So yeah, so did that. And then was working for financial investment companies. I did that from 2005 to 2023, basically in the meantime opened up in 2019, I opened up my LAK painting company, which was called LAK for my kids’, Landon, Addie and Kenna. Oh. So yeah, so we’ve got four crews, we’ve got four crews. They do all the work. So yeah, so did that. And now I’m doing that full-time with my partner Adam Smith. And so we love being able to transform the business and grow the business and really make a difference in people’s lives that way with painting and taking care of their needs that way. Yeah, don’t look at the walls when you walk out of here. Okay.
Brad Burrow (00:08:52):
I know. Once you see something, you can’t unsee it. So I don’t point out anything. That’s funny. So I want to kind of talk about the intersection of you two when you both met. You were in a pretty high stress situation, life kids relationship, owning a
Brian Price (00:09:12):
Company.
Brad Burrow (00:09:14):
The last thing you’re probably worried about was your health at that point. Would you agree?
Brian Price (00:09:17):
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Health was on the back burner. I was just kind of going through the motions, just trying. I’d just gone through pretty nasty divorce and don’t want to get too much into that, but talk about the state of mind that you’re in
Brad Burrow (00:09:33):
Mentally.
Brian Price (00:09:34):
Yeah. Mentally, I was just really struggling. So was just low energy, low motivation, just kind of going through the motions, really not living life, not really enjoying what I was doing, just kind of going through the motions and
Brad Burrow (00:09:49):
Day by day.
Brian Price (00:09:49):
Yeah. Yeah. Wasn’t a, you just kind of do what you do to get through. So that’s kind of, but then met Melissa, so we met years ago now, was there
Brad Burrow (00:09:59):
A white light behind her anything and angel
Brian Price (00:10:02):
Singing. Whoa.
Brad Burrow (00:10:03):
That kind of thing. Something like that. Yeah. So Melissa, what did you think when you met Brian’s? Like could you tell that there were potential, I don’t want to get into the details of what was going on with you, but I mean, you can probably look at people and say, well, I could help this person.
Melissa Campbell (00:10:23):
Actually, some people will tell you all about their crazy ex or whatever. Brian didn’t mention it, he didn’t mention anything. Just was very positive about how he would take his kids to their sports and how it kind of sounded like they were his life and he didn’t say anything bad about his ex.
Brad Burrow (00:10:50):
But from a health standpoint, I mean, you could probably tell maybe that he needed some help.
Melissa Campbell (00:10:58):
Yeah. I mean, it seemed like he maybe was kind of lost in the system and not really sure where to go with the issues that transpired. And he was just emotionally.
Brad Burrow (00:11:24):
And
Melissa Campbell (00:11:27):
So when that happened, there was a specific event for when that happened, and it really took a toll on him. And I was like, the one thing that you can control is yourself. And so we’re going to take this as a positive and an opportunity, and we are going to rebuild you, and you’re going to come into the clinic and we’re going to get your blood and we’re going to go from there.
Brad Burrow (00:11:54):
What’d you think when you heard that?
Brian Price (00:11:56):
Well, so I knew that something was off, and at this point in time mean, so we’d been together for a little over a year and a half when she had started the clinic. And so I knew good things were happening at the clinic. I could hear her talking about patients coming in and getting changed and kind of focused and what she was seeing. I was hearing some of the results, right.
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But I was dealing with my painting company and so didn’t have a whole lot of time. You weren’t really on that. Yeah, I was focused on my stuff. We were busy season, but she’s like, you got to come in and at least get your blood drawn. Let’s start there and see what the results are and kind of go from there. And were you surprised? Yeah. So I came in, got the blood work, my testosterone level was around two 50, which supposed to be between 700 and 1400. So I mean, it was ridiculous. Cortisol levels were through the roof, so that’s all your stressors and how your body handles hormone stress and things like that. So yeah, so I was just, what about weight? You look so fit right now. It’s like, I can’t imagine that you looked like that then. It was lot of, I was definitely overweight and there was definitely lifestyle choices that I needed to change up as well. But did they know your first name at McDonald’s? Yes. Yes. The fast food is not a good thing. Big Mac. Yeah, exactly.
Melissa Campbell (00:13:26):
Don’t eat out of a window.
Brian Price (00:13:27):
Yes. What I was eating, it was bad decisions all the way around, but it was eyeopening. And so Melissa’s like, let’s get you optimized, let’s get you fixed, and let’s get you on some testosterone to get the levels up to where you actually start feeling more like yourself and not so drained. And it was,
Brad Burrow (00:13:44):
How long did it take before you actually started realizing that, man, I am feeling better?
Brian Price (00:13:50):
Yeah, I mean, it takes a little while to get into it, but I think within a month, four to six weeks was initially you get a little bit of a bump, but you don’t really recognize it. I think the biggest thing that I recognized was when, so after four to six weeks I had been on it, and if I would miss a dose, then I would start feeling that way that I was feeling before really. And so that was more eye opening, was like, because when you just slowly start feeling better, better, better, you don’t realize, don’t recognize the change, but then you miss that dose and you’re like, oh wow, that really, I just started feeling sluggish. And then the eye-opening part was that you’re like, that’s how I used to feel all day every day. That was my good, that was my okay spot. And now it’s like that’s a terrible spot to be in. So yeah, so Melissa introduced me to one of her really good friends, Jillian McCollum, who works at the hospital with her, but she also owns
Melissa Campbell (00:14:49):
Jam
Brian Price (00:14:49):
Personal training. And so she got me in with her. And so Jillian has really helped me kind of curb my appetite, or not curb my appetite, but fixed my diet. She created some workout plans for me, and I had another good buddy who introduced me to Beast Fight Gym, which is right by the clinic, ironically. And so between Melissa getting my hormones fixed up and Jillian getting the training program set up and ified gym, I mean, it all came together and it’s just, it’s amazing. So you were sold at that point, weren’t you? Yes, it was absolutely sold.
Brad Burrow (00:15:23):
So much so where you’re actually working
Brian Price (00:15:27):
At the clinic. So yeah, so I volunteer my time whenever I’m not running painting stuff, but I love being involved. It’s being involved with the patients coming in, watching how they interact and the results and sharing my experience, especially, I love meeting the new patients that come in because I have the ability to share kind of my story and what I went through and kind of the fact that this is where you can get to and what you go through.
Brad Burrow (00:15:51):
You have a lot of people coming in, Melissa, that are kind of broken. I bet. It’s like they come in, limping in and
Melissa Campbell (00:16:00):
And I remember when Brian was going through all of this, and I think maybe to a point you comfort yourself through food or alcohol or whatever. And after Brian went through this transformation, I remember him saying he’d never really said anything about the clinic too much before that. It was just like you said in the back of his mind like, oh, I do the painting company. She does that and we had healthy habits at home, but what is always consistency? That’s where you got drive in. And so I remember him being like, I think I want to be a part of this. I think I want to help people change their lives. I want them to know that you can be in this bad spot and you can get optimized and get to a lot better place. And testosterone is the confidence hormone. So I mean, I think it really impacts people. Not only it is the powerhouse of a man’s body. I mean both men and women need estradiol and testosterone, but this is what impacts a man’s energy levels, his confidence, his edge. And men know when they feel like they’re losing that and strength and endurance.
Brad Burrow (00:17:38):
It’s a helpless feeling. It’s like I can speak from experience on that. It’s owning a business, this, this now too. There’s a lot of stress that comes with that. And if you can’t stay positive, that’s a very important thing in having a successful business in my opinion, is just being positive about we’re going to be successful, we’re going to do this. It’s going to work. I’m going to do this. I’m going to have positive attitude. Because there are so many negative things coming at you all the time that if you can’t stay positive. And I think most people think, well, that’s just their personality, but there’s some chemistry to that
Melissa Campbell (00:18:21):
And cortisol is the alpha hormone, and all these hormones push on each other. So getting your levels optimized and balanced is key. And hormone therapy is the key to longevity. Aging gracefully, slowing down aging, they’re there unfortunately is a lot of misconception, confirmation bias around hormone therapy that primarily pertains to synthetic hormones versus bioidentical hormones.
Brad Burrow (00:19:01):
I have that written down right here. I’m going to ask you that question. Okay. No, you’re doing great. I threw you there for a second, didn’t I? Because
Melissa Campbell (00:19:10):
I was like, wait
Brad Burrow (00:19:11):
A second. Good thing. It’s a podcast. But before we get into that though, I don’t mean to cut you off, but I want to get people up to date on your training. I mean, obviously you’ve come through being working in cardiovascular or whatever that was called. That probably gave you some really good foundational knowledge, I would imagine, right?
Melissa Campbell (00:19:37):
Yeah. I was like intense.
Brad Burrow (00:19:40):
Yeah. And then I wrote down WorldLink that you’ve been trained through their system. Tell me what that means. What is WorldLink and who is Dr. Rose? Is
Melissa Campbell (00:19:50):
That Dr. Neil ER
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With WorldLink Medical, and he is a leading expert in hormone therapy. And he had his own, he started out as an ER physician and started thinking that there was more to treating chronic disease, also curious about why women kept coming in having not just one miscarriage, but two and what was really going on. And so he started doing rigorous research, had his own hormone therapy clinic in Palm Springs, I believe for 25 years, and then started with WorldLink, who are basically your expert protocols for hormone therapy all. And he has taught thousands and thousands of providers just like me. And when you go there, there’s physicians and nurse practitioners from all over the United States, and they may be an ob, GYNA urologist, a cardiothoracic surgeon, a cardiologist, family practice or internal medicine or GYN. But we have all come to figure out that hormone therapy is the key to preventing and reversing disease. And so it’s this works.
Brad Burrow (00:21:45):
You want to talk about your dad’s situation at all?
Melissa Campbell (00:21:49):
So my dad was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer with mets to the liver, and when we first went and met,
Brad Burrow (00:22:03):
That sounds really bad like that.
Melissa Campbell (00:22:05):
Yeah,
Brad Burrow (00:22:06):
I mean,
Melissa Campbell (00:22:06):
It was really
Brad Burrow (00:22:07):
Something you don’t want to hear.
Melissa Campbell (00:22:09):
No, I was with him, so they couldn’t figure out where the cancer was coming from. It wasn’t showing up on CT scan. So I was with him because the liver wasn’t the primary site and that’s where they were seeing it. And so I was with him when he went and had his colonoscopy, and I remember Dr. Allen came out and he said, I’m really sorry we couldn’t pass the scope past the sigmoid colon because the mass is too big. And so when we went and saw his oncologist, he basically said, if you do nothing, you have about a month. And so they had a type of chemotherapy to offer. He said, but only 40% of people respond. Yeah. And I remember it was like they said, oh, he’s been approved already for 99 chemotherapy treatments and
Brad Burrow (00:23:11):
99 99,
Melissa Campbell (00:23:12):
And I was
Brad Burrow (00:23:14):
Not a hundred,
Melissa Campbell (00:23:16):
But it was That’s
Brad Burrow (00:23:17):
Crazy
Melissa Campbell (00:23:17):
Red flag.
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And so I spent all these years in mainstream medicine, and when you or your family member gets a diagnosis like that and you’re sitting on the other side, it looks very different. Because I can remember when I was doing cardiology, if somebody would’ve came in and said, oh, I’m on red yeast rice for and I’m on whatever, I would’ve been like, we don’t know what’s in that. You need to stop taking that right away. And now I feel totally different. So he did have excellent results and with the chemotherapy, but we also did some other things like starting Femazole and Ivermectin, which there were studies to support, but of course, that therapy doesn’t make the same revenue as 99 chemotherapy.
Brad Burrow (00:24:20):
Have you heard what Mel Gibson said about that on the Joe Rogan podcast?
Melissa Campbell (00:24:25):
I think I saw it. Yeah. He said They’re doing the things.
Brad Burrow (00:24:28):
Yes. Amazing.
Melissa Campbell (00:24:29):
So it was,
Brad Burrow (00:24:30):
Sorry, I keep saying Joe Rogan podcast, but
Melissa Campbell (00:24:33):
Mean it was in 2022 when he was diagnosed. And so we started these things also believe in cellular health. Let’s replace what your body naturally makes. We did a few different things, but we ended up having really good results. And I remember I wanted him to get a PET scan because all this time they hadn’t done a PET scan. And they said, well, he doesn’t need a PET scan. And I said, insurance won’t pay for it. And I said, yeah, well, for restaging, I was like, we’re not going to just leave this cancer in the colon. They say, okay. So we get the PET scan and it shows that there’s just a little bit of cancer left. And so even though he was 80 years old, he was in such good health and had responded so well. They went in and they did cut out that small amount of cancer. The problem is that it came back in the liver. So he’s had a couple treatments for that. But like I said, they gave him a month, and that was in 2022. And I mean, just this past winter when we had all that snow, I mean, we were out in the driveway shoveling snow together. He has done remarkably well. His cancer doctor can’t believe it.
Brad Burrow (00:26:07):
And
Melissa Campbell (00:26:08):
So I think that was definitely an eyeopening experience for me about mainstream medicine. While they can do a lot of good things, those aren’t the only things out there.
Brad Burrow (00:26:23):
Yeah, great. For the chemotherapy companies making that drug. They’re doing great.
Melissa Campbell (00:26:29):
Yeah. Well, and as far as my background, when I said, so I don’t think you, I realize it a little at the nursing level, but at the nurse practitioner or provider level, it’s a whole different ball game. And so I remember that I came out of school and I was just really naive. And so you’re taught you want to follow all the guidelines because if you have to go to court over something, those guidelines are what’s going to protect you in court. So you’re like, okay, basically this is my Bible. This is what I need to know and this is what I’m supposed to do. And so you’re ready to defend those guidelines with everything. And then you have drug reps coming in every day bringing you lunch. So for me, I thought, well, this is great. I’m going to have my patients on the most, the best medicine, the newest medicines.
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I’ve got a rep here that’s got all the latest research and studies, and I’m going to try to do the best I can for my patients, and I’m going to just be doing everything. And then you realize, maybe that’s not what we’re doing here. The blinders come off and you follow the money, and you look at the research and you realize that things are much more politically and economically driven than you ever thought. And this is an important one for patients to understand. Do not go to your medical provider and blindly trust them and think that they have your best interest in mind, while many of them may. That is not something that you can trust. You must advocate for yourself, and you must do your own research just like you would with any other industry because this is a business.
Brad Burrow (00:28:42):
Yeah. That’s evident more now, more than ever, I think.
Melissa Campbell (00:28:46):
Yeah. I think with COVID and everything that happened there, people are more aware that just because it’s healthcare doesn’t mean that you can trust it and that you do need to be looking out for yourself. And over the years, I have seen so much injustice and people have no idea.
Brad Burrow (00:29:13):
Why aren’t there more people like you, Melissa? I mean, I think about it. It feels new and cutting edge, but you just don’t see very many. Brian Morris, our buddy told me about you. And I’m like, okay, that sounds very interesting. And then I meet you and I’m like, wow, this is amazing. Why are there not more people like you?
Melissa Campbell (00:29:37):
I think that some people never leave that headspace of these are the guidelines. This is what I went to school, this is what I was taught. And you aren’t taught in medical school or NP school, anything about hormone therapy. And if you are working where the reps come, they are pushing their drugs, their synthetic drugs on you. And so you’re not really learning anything about bioidenticals. And as much as I have worked with some very amazing people and some great people, but there are some people in the industry that it’s a paycheck. It’s a job just like anything else.
Brad Burrow (00:30:31):
Check it else off. Move on.
Melissa Campbell (00:30:31):
Yep.
Brad Burrow (00:30:32):
Yeah.
Melissa Campbell (00:30:33):
The other side is that you have these big corporations that take over practices, and they have demands, productivity demands that they want these providers to meet. They need to be seeing this many
Brad Burrow (00:30:51):
Numbers,
Melissa Campbell (00:30:51):
Numbers, numbers, people and this amount of time or their fat, stupid and lazy. They want to see the money.
Brad Burrow (00:31:02):
So a little side story, in my previous doctor, he got let go from his current place that he was working because he wasn’t hitting numbers and moved to a different system, but they brought him on, did all this marketing, he’s going to be a part of this. I won’t say the healthcare system, but did all this stuff and he didn’t hit his numbers. And they’re like, you got to go.
Brian Price (00:31:30):
Yeah. He didn’t realize it was a doctor. He signed up for sales job. Right.
Brad Burrow (00:31:33):
Unbelievable. It’s like, how about you be responsible for getting in their mind, he was responsible. So you could see where they’re going to be numbers driven, they’re going to lose their jobs,
Melissa Campbell (00:31:45):
Right? Well, or they get worked like slaves. And that’s why physician burnout is so high. But when you actually go back and think about it, I mean, if you are sick, your health is everything. So for someone to think that they can just take their five minutes or their 15 minutes and ask you answer one question and then beyond to the next person, it seems a little bit ridiculous. How can you think that you gave good care? But on the other hand, they might not have any other option.
Brad Burrow (00:32:29):
Right. Health insurance and all that stuff. Okay. So let’s switch gears. You’ve mentioned it, bioidentical hormones.
Brian Price (00:32:38):
Okay,
Brad Burrow (00:32:40):
So would’ve never known that there were two different types. So synthetic versus that. Tell me, excuse me, what the difference between those two and why is that important to us?
Melissa Campbell (00:32:52):
So many of the things that you hear that are bad about hormone replacement therapy, because at one time and kind of still it’s like it’s taboo, like hormones most,
Brad Burrow (00:33:07):
It still kind of feels that way, doesn’t
Melissa Campbell (00:33:08):
It? Yeah.
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Most of the studies that have all of these bad side effects like cancers and blood clots and strokes, are from studies that studied synthetic hormones, not bioidentical hormones. So there is much confusion around that. So bioidentical hormones are often made out. They come from plants like soy or yams, but the chemist has taken those and made them the same identical structure as what the body makes. So the same chemical structure as what the body makes, there is no difference. So when you take bioidentical hormones, your body recognizes the chemical structure knows what to do with it. It’s well tolerated normally. Very few side effects. When you take something that is synthetic, that is normally what is associated with those bad side effects that we talked about, because your body doesn’t recognize it. So then the question becomes, well, why would you use synthetic hormones? Well, because big pharma cannot cell the bioidentical hormones. They’re what your body makes. They didn’t invent them, so they cannot mass can patent mass, produce them, cannot patent them. And that’s why I was saying a lot of times when you get put on the synthetics like the progestins or Provera or the birth control pills, that is because there’s nobody in their office pushing bioidenticals. They’re only pushing the synthetics.
Brad Burrow (00:35:07):
There’s a lot of not good things that come from being on the synthetic hormones.
Melissa Campbell (00:35:13):
Yes.
Brad Burrow (00:35:13):
Can you talk about some of those things?
Melissa Campbell (00:35:16):
Well, those are the ones that are normally associated with breast cancer. So when I’m talking about estradiol, estradiol is an estrogen, but I am not talking about the synthetics that big pharma makes, or they use the conjugated equine estrogen, which is pregnant horse urine. Now, I don’t know why you would give someone pregnant horse urine to replace their estradiol when you could just give them something that replicates exactly what their body already makes and is associated with all of these side effects. But again, political, economical.
Brad Burrow (00:36:04):
Wow. It’s crazy. It’s literally crazy.
Melissa Campbell (00:36:09):
And this is why the other things are migraine headaches, diabetes, insulin resistance, the cancers, mood swings, all of these different things that you don’t want.
Brad Burrow (00:36:33):
So you had mentioned birth control. Talk a little bit about this. I was talking to somebody about this earlier today and how you were saying that birth control pill actually causes insulin resistance.
Melissa Campbell (00:36:51):
Yes.
Brad Burrow (00:36:52):
Talk about that.
Melissa Campbell (00:36:53):
So another part of my story is that I am a patient too, because I have PCOS. I found out when I was 18 that I had PCOS, and besides really telling me that I had PCOS, that was it. It wasn’t like,
Brad Burrow (00:37:08):
Tell us what that means. What’s PCOS mean?
Melissa Campbell (00:37:11):
Polycystic ovarian syndrome, and it affects women. They overproduce insulin. That is the underlying problem. So what goes along with this a lot of times is facial hair. If you see a woman and she kind of has almost like a beard or hair on the face, she might have PCOS. They can also have a lot of acne weight gain around the middle. And why PCOS is so bad is because it is associated with chronic diseases like high cholesterol, metabolic syndrome, heart attacks, all of these things that we don’t want, but there isn’t very many people who understand it or know how to treat it. So what happens is you go to your PCP and you say, oh, well, I have acne, or I have really irregular cycles or really heavy periods. And they say, oh, maybe you have PCOS, we’ll put you on the birth control pill. Well, while that may help the skin symptoms, and maybe they have regular cycles or no cycles at all because they’re on these hormones, birth control pills cause insulin resistance. So they’re making the underlying problem for these women worse. And P-C-O-O-S insulin resistance does not get better with age, it gets worse.
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So we are really doing these young women a disservice by putting them on birth control pills, let alone, I think probably most of the women that I know have been put on birth control pills and have never once been told that they cause insulin resistance. I have a woman in my clinic who had an implantable birth control device, and despite being on 10 of manjaro, which is a big dose of manjaro, one of the GPO ones, her hemoglobin A1C continues to increase. And so we just recently got that taken out. It was like, but she’s not the only one. I have other ones who no matter what I do, I can’t lose weight. Or the other thing that can happen, I have another patient like this is they say, oh, I have anxiety. I feel like I don’t know what’s causing it, but I feel like I know there’s something wrong. And sure enough, they have the insulin resistance already. They have PCOS, they’ve been put on birth control, and now they’re having hypoglycemic episodes because when the insulin spikes so high, when it comes back down, it goes below their normal level. And so now roller
Brad Burrow (00:40:25):
Coaster.
Melissa Campbell (00:40:26):
Yeah, I really feel strongly that with all the side effects associated with synthetic hormones, that you should never be on them. If you go to your provider and they put you on birth control pills and tell you that you have P-C-O-O-S do not take it. I mean, you’re just making the underlying cause worse.
Brad Burrow (00:40:50):
Yeah. Yeah. That’s great information and people are going to learn a lot from this. So let’s switch gears.
Melissa Campbell (00:40:56):
Okay,
Brad Burrow (00:40:57):
Hypothyroidism, what does that mean? Tell me what that is.
Melissa Campbell (00:41:02):
Well, so your thyroid is basically, if you wanted to look at it, it’s what takes your food and converts it into energy. So
Brad Burrow (00:41:19):
Pretty important function there.
Melissa Campbell (00:41:22):
Yes. And so that’s why when people go and see their PCP and they say, I’m tired. I’m cold, I can’t lose weight, even depressed, they say, sounds like you might have a thyroid problem. And what they do is they check A TSH, which is a non-active form of thyroid, and they check a T four, which is also another non-active form of thyroid. What actually happens is that T four has to go to the liver to be converted into T three. Well, they didn’t use to know that. So anybody that had a thyroid condition, you could kind of think of your thyroid as the thermostat of your body. And so for a long time, everyone that had a thyroid condition was a hypothyroid condition was prescribed T three and T four desiccated thyroid extract. But then in the 1970s was when the science discovered that we converted T four to T three on our own. Big pharma came out with Synthroid, another
Brad Burrow (00:42:47):
Synthetic.
Melissa Campbell (00:42:48):
Yes, yes.
Brad Burrow (00:42:50):
Do you see a pattern here?
Melissa Campbell (00:42:51):
Yeah.
Brad Burrow (00:42:52):
Yeah.
Melissa Campbell (00:42:53):
So when they came out with that, they kind of went around to all the experts that studied thyroid endocrinologists and incentivized them to promote Synthroid and TSH became the gold standard, and Synthroid became the replacement. Interestingly enough, the people who had been on the T three and T four desiccated thyroid extract before this were all starting to complain that their thyroid symptoms were not well controlled. Well
Brad Burrow (00:43:36):
Imagine that.
Melissa Campbell (00:43:37):
So with big pharma’s influence, then it became taboo to prescribe T three, and then none of these patients could get prescribed their medicine anymore. So there is a book called Rethinking Hypothyroidism, and it is written by the ex president of the American Thyroid Association who talks all about this. And the purpose of the book is to teach patients to be able to advocate for getting on thyroid replacement when they go see their providers. The thing is that we never even draw a T three, so it never even gets that far. So you look at primary hypothyroidism, which is when TSH increases, and then you can look at subclinical hypothyroidism, but there’s also this thing which you maybe have heard some people talk about with insulin resistance. You can also have thyroid resistance because every cell has a receptor site for T three for insulin. And so if the hormone is the key and the receptor is the lock, that key stops fitting the lock so well, so they could even have something like low T three syndrome and it not show up on the lab work. And then lab work, you go and they say, oh, well, everything’s normal. Well, what’s normal? Normal is based on a population that is your age and is sick.
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That’s where they’re getting all of these levels from. We don’t want normal, we want optimal levels that a young healthy person has. So that’s not always going to be in the normal range.
Brad Burrow (00:45:41):
So if that’s your decision making process based on average, that’s not going to be great.
Melissa Campbell (00:45:47):
Right?
Brian Price (00:45:49):
It’s going to be
Brad Burrow (00:45:49):
Wrong.
Brian Price (00:45:49):
Well, yeah. If you think about that, who’s going and getting blood work done on a regular basis, it’s the people who are sick going to the hospital and they’re drawing bloods. So if you look at the sample size of who is deemed normal as just the people who are going
Brad Burrow (00:46:01):
To, you’re not going to go get your blood
Brian Price (00:46:02):
Drawn. Exactly. So you’re only pulling it from the sick people, and that is what is normal.
Melissa Campbell (00:46:07):
So the other thing is primary care physicians will freak out. If you replace somebody’s T three and their TSH comes back at zero, they’re going to say they’re hyperthyroidism. You’re causing them to be hyperthyroidism. They’re going to have thyroid storm. What people fail to understand is the different types of research studies and what they mean. So if you do an observation study with an endogenous hormones, meaning what the patient naturally makes, that represents one thing. That does not mean that when you do a randomized control trial and you give a patient hormones exogenous that those look the same, they look totally different. We care about what happens when we give it and what the result is. We’re not talking about just what people’s levels are naturally, that’s endogenous, that’s different. And so that also looks very different when you’re replacing hormones. If you read any studies that say, well, we observed or associated with, that’s worthless. If you haven’t done a randomized controlled study, then we don’t care if you didn’t test it. If you didn’t give it and see what happens, then it’s useless.
Brad Burrow (00:47:45):
So how long did it take you to actually see somebody’s blood work and really look at it and diagnose things like that? I mean, there’s a lot of knowledge that you have and you’re looking at something that maybe a normal doctor or somebody else maybe wouldn’t see.
Melissa Campbell (00:48:06):
Well, I think that they don’t, as far as looking at hormone levels, they don’t get that training. So most of is
Brad Burrow (00:48:20):
That from WorldLink that you learned to do that?
Melissa Campbell (00:48:24):
So they’re not going to understand it. They’re most likely not going to order the levels. So that’s where all your women that are in perimenopause and menopause basically get no help. Or your men that are walking around with these low testosterone levels get no help because, and this number has just gone down over the years, mean, so regarding testosterone, what I say is that it’s bioidentical testosterone, so they can’t patent it. Yes.
Brad Burrow (00:49:10):
So they’re not going to prescribe it.
Melissa Campbell (00:49:11):
Right. Well, because big pharma is not making any money off of it. So they just keep, the normal level just keeps going down. And it’s like, no, that’s not what we see is optimal. That’s not where people feel their best.
Brad Burrow (00:49:29):
Just that one thing in our population would probably change the health of our country. Would you agree with that?
Melissa Campbell (00:49:37):
Yes. You’re going to be more confident. You’re going to be more of an independent thinker. Testosterone, one of our biggest problems you were saying that you heard from Peterson is insulin resistance.
Brad Burrow (00:49:51):
Yeah.
Melissa Campbell (00:49:52):
One of the reasons that hormone therapy works so well for prevention and getting rid of disease is because it taps into insulin resistance. These hormones work to lower insulin levels and mainstream medicine is reactive medicine. It is not preventative medicine. So they, they don’t even know probably how to look for insulin resistance. They’re waiting where your insulin resistance may have shown up 10 years prior. They’re waiting until they get a hemoglobin A1C and see that you’re actually diabetic.
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So we want to start treating way before that, and that’s where hormones come in. Progesterone. A lot of times they’ll just put people on estradiol and they won’t put them on progesterone. Well, then they’re robbing you of one of the best hormones ever if you’re a female, because this is like nature’s Xanax. This is like, oh, I can relax again. Oh, I’m not up at three o’clock in the morning. I can sleep through the night. Oh, I feel centered again. And it is a feel good. It is normally very well tolerated, whereas you take the progestins and mood swings, can’t lose weight, all things all over the place that no woman wants. And I don’t think you ever put a guy on testosterone that says he doesn’t feel better. But it’s very simple way to approach aging and health. We simply take, we look at the labs, we look at how you feel, talk about it, and then take what your body has stopped making over time and replace it to the levels it used to be. It is that simple.
Brad Burrow (00:51:54):
And no synthetic,
Melissa Campbell (00:51:56):
No synthetics.
Brad Burrow (00:51:58):
So let’s switch gears and we’re about done, but I want to talk about insulin resistance. That seems like, well, help me understand, I know kind of what it is, but can it be reversed? Number one, can insulin resistance? Can your body start working correctly? And what are the things that can lead to, I mean, obviously type two diabetes, but there’s other things too, isn’t there?
Melissa Campbell (00:52:28):
Well, to simplify it, so let’s say somebody goes to a hormone clinic and they’re just checking testosterone, estradiol, progesterone, whatever, and they’re saying, well, here’s your level. Here’s what we’re going to do. See you later. What we are doing is we are taking the hormones, progesterone, estradiol, testosterone, DHEA thyroid, and we are using them to decrease insulin resistance and decrease the highly inflammatory visceral fat around the organs because we know that this is what causes inflammation, and inflammation is what causes chronic disease. So absolutely, insulin resistance can be reversed. And that’s why your GPL ones are so effective because they lower your insulin levels. They prevent that spike. Yes, they cut out food noise. They make food sit in the stomach longer. But why they work in addition is the same reason that when you do intermittent fasting, that works to lose weight because you drop those insulin levels. The other job of insulin is to store fat. So if 75% or more people, if you’re like them, they’re walking around out there, they have no idea they have insulin resistance and also no idea why they can’t lose weight. Well, they’re walking around with those high insulin levels. And so the body says, my other job is to store fat. So it’s not going to let you tap into your fat stores.
Brad Burrow (00:54:32):
It just deposits keeps depositing.
Melissa Campbell (00:54:36):
Yeah. And that’s where you get your triglycerides. Triglycerides are a reflection of sugar, not necessarily fat. It’s like one sugar to every three fats. You decrease your blood sugars, you decrease those insulin levels, you’ll see your triglycerides go down. That’s why somebody who has high triglycerides or high cholesterol, you put ’em on a keto high fat diet because you’re wanting to get rid of the sugar. The sugar is the problem. Cancer is a metabolic disease. So these GPL ones and everything that we’re doing to lower those insulin levels, you can see how it just makes sense that it would be a cancer preventative.
Brad Burrow (00:55:26):
Yeah. Yeah. Tell us what GPL one, what’s that mean?
Melissa Campbell (00:55:32):
That is a peptide that your body already makes. Big pharma couldn’t market that either. If they didn’t put a dosing schedule with it
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And it hits that receptor like we were talking about. And like I said, it makes you, it tells the brain when you’re full, it makes food sit in the stomach a little bit longer. So if you overeat on it, you’re going to get nauseated, could have some vomiting, not a good idea. Stop eating when you’re full, even if you can only eat a little bit. So people always say, well, I don’t want to get ozempic face or I don’t want, are those GPL ones Ozempic? Are those bad? No, they’re great in the fact that you are going to get out of them what you put into them if you go on them and you don’t metabolically retrain yourself and your diet and increase your protein. Protein is key. Muscle is key for longevity. If you don’t make the changes and you never eat, and when you do eat, you just eat junk, well, you’re just going to kind of waste away. That’s not going to help you. And likely when you go off of it now you’re just going to gain back a whole bunch of fat where maybe you at least did have some muscle. Now you don’t have fat or muscle mean,
Brad Burrow (00:57:07):
So
Melissa Campbell (00:57:08):
You’re worse off. But if you use them the way in a way that’s healthy and you use the discipline that you get from them to eat your protein and eat whole foods and exercise and do all of the right things, they’re extremely beneficial.
Brad Burrow (00:57:28):
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. A couple more things. Okay. So what do you think the biggest challenge that our society has from a health standpoint right now? I mean, Jordan Peterson would say insulin resistance is probably one of the biggest things. Probably agree with that. But the average person listening to the podcast, maybe mid forties, fifties, something like that, and they’re like, man, I’d like to feel better. What is the biggest challenge that they have? Is it what they’re eating? I got to be honest. I mean, you running a business, Brian, it’s like sometimes you’re so busy. It’s like I’m just going to pull through and get something real quick and that’s going to tide me over. It’s probably the worst thing we could do. When it comes to food,
Melissa Campbell (00:58:19):
Is
Brad Burrow (00:58:19):
It our food supply? Is it just stress in general? I mean, what would you say?
Melissa Campbell (00:58:25):
Well, not having a positive outlet for stress is going to impact all your other hormones. Our food supply is terrible seed oils. Then there’s estrogen disruptors in the environment.
Brian Price (00:58:45):
I didn’t even micro the microplastics and all the water bottles that we use, I mean, you almost can’t get away from it unless you really got to focus on eating at home and knowing what you’re putting in your body and eating clean. But I think the food is just, that’s got to be the biggest it’s thing. And if you think about the health of Americans versus the health of the Europeans and that the Europeans have outlawed all these dyes, and now it’s a big thing that in the media right now and trying to get rid of the dyes, the red dyes, the yellow dyes, the blue dyes that are still in all of our stuff that isn’t anywhere in Europe. It’s like, what are we doing to our own population? It’s greed. It’s terrible. And so then,
Brad Burrow (00:59:31):
Because benefit to the manufacturer for putting those in there, it’s
Melissa Campbell (00:59:35):
It longer shelf life
Brad Burrow (00:59:36):
Looks better.
Melissa Campbell (00:59:37):
You’re going to
Brad Burrow (00:59:37):
Buy,
Brian Price (00:59:38):
I’m going to send it to my kids because I’m going to mark it to the kids because the kids want the fruit loops because the fruit loops look prettier. Then I’m going to buy more fruit loops. If whatever can make it look more colorful.
Brad Burrow (00:59:48):
If
Brian Price (00:59:49):
You follow the dollars, it’s all back to dollars. If I can make the cow be heavier and put on weight faster, and I feed them a bunch of junk, but I can get more meat out of that cow, then I’ve got making more money. It really is greed. And it’s really unfortunate that it’s so hard to get away from it. But I mean, Americans have become very
Melissa Campbell (01:00:16):
Lazy. I have a patient, he’s from France, and he said he can go home and he can eat all the pasta and bread he wants. He won’t gain a pound, he doesn’t feel bad. But over here we’re spraying everything with folic acid. And so that’s when you get the enriched when it says enriched on there. Well, that basically means it’s been stripped of everything.
Brian Price (01:00:48):
Enriched sounds like a good word. It sounds like. Whoa. That’s a good thing.
Melissa Campbell (01:00:52):
And I think I was telling you about how in the US girls go into puberty earlier than any other country, and our men also have these really low testosterone levels. And what that has been linked to is one of the pesticides that they spray like 70,000 pounds of in the US that’s outlawed in Europe. I’m trying to think of what the name of that was. But they put it on a male frog and the male frog turns female. That’s how bad it is for us. Oh my gosh. But it’s allowed because somebody pays somebody off.
Brad Burrow (01:01:40):
My son and my daughter-in-law on their honeymoon went to Italy and they were saying, and they love wine. They drink wine a lot, and they went to a pasta class and all this stuff, and they said that exact same thing. They drink so much wine over there. It’s kind of like water almost to them. Never a hangover. You never feel bad. Like something we’re doing in the United States, like the bread and the wine and the pasta you’re talking about is making us sick.
Melissa Campbell (01:02:17):
So just trying to eat organic, trying to stay away from the things in the environment, that’s
Brad Burrow (01:02:28):
Huge. Nearly impossible. That’s
Melissa Campbell (01:02:28):
A huge challenge. And so that’s why I was hoping with the work with Kennedy would have an impact.
Brian Price (01:02:44):
And he’s starting to, some states have started outlawing some of the dyes. Some of the states are starting to regulate what the kids eat for school lunches. I mean, they’re doing some stuff. They’re helping with making the SNAP program more healthy options versus the cheaper, easier, unhealthy options. So they’re making some changes. It’s made so many poor choices for so many decades. It’s hard to get that train source to a different track. Yeah, really tough.
Melissa Campbell (01:03:12):
And the ethics of it is that you should be able to walk into a store and buy toiletries and buy food and take for granted that it is all safe.
Brad Burrow (01:03:24):
Should be able to,
Melissa Campbell (01:03:26):
I mean, isn’t that why we have this FDA and I? It’s absolutely ridiculous that because of greed, you can’t,
Brad Burrow (01:03:36):
And
Melissa Campbell (01:03:36):
There are so many people who don’t even know that
Brad Burrow (01:03:40):
I think we need to do a cooking show. What do you think about that? I mean, I’m being funny, but really you think about it, most people don’t even know how to cook clean,
Brian Price (01:03:52):
But you’ve been told that butter is bad for you and it’s just not the case. I mean, there’s so many things that were taught to us that this food is bad and this food is good. And it’s almost like you almost have to swap it because it’s not, it’s not the case.
Melissa Campbell (01:04:08):
And it goes back to those studies. Those studies are crap.
Brad Burrow (01:04:12):
And who funded those studies?
Melissa Campbell (01:04:13):
Well,
Brad Burrow (01:04:13):
Yeah,
Melissa Campbell (01:04:15):
Exactly. Follow all the money.
Brad Burrow (01:04:16):
Follow. And where are they working now? Probably. Alright. I have a new idea for documentary. All right. So well, I want to go ahead and wrap it up. This has been great. I almost wonder if we shouldn’t do it again, and we should dive deep into some of this stuff because I do think I love learning about these things, although it’s a little concerning when you start learning about some of the things that you’re talking about. But I think people need to be educated. The average person knows none of what we talked about today. I didn’t know some of this stuff two months ago.
Melissa Campbell (01:04:53):
Well, and that’s why, like you said, when you came and saw me, we sit down and we talk because everybody is a little bit different. And that’s why if you go someplace where they just a protocol, it is not going to work. But we sit down and we talk about all of these factors and everything that could be influencing your health and your situation and what your labs look like and what it means. Because if you tell someone the significance of why they’re doing something, then they’re a lot more likely to follow through and keep doing it. And then you educate one person and they go educate somebody else. I mean, we need to spread awareness, but it’s not just giving a pill or giving a shot. We’re impacting, we’re using these hormones for the impact that it has on your overall health and to keep you healthy, not just give you something that makes you feel better, but it’s deeper than that.
Brad Burrow (01:06:12):
One thing, real quick, I was thinking about there’s a mental health crisis in the United States right now too, and it has to have a lot to do with what we’ve talked about today.
Melissa Campbell (01:06:23):
It absolutely does. That’s something that Dr. Rouzier talks about at WorldLink, and there’s a psychiatrist that he mentions frequently who thinks that it is a lot about hormones and hormone replacement therapy and where a lot of times you go to your PCP and you report some of the symptoms that you’re having and they say, oh, well you might benefit from an SSRI or antidepressant. And it’s not really that you need something like that. You just need more of what your body used to make.
Brian Price (01:07:00):
Yeah. Literally that’s where I was. You could have given me an antidepressant before I got optimized because you just feel lethargic. And you could go sit through and say, these are my symptoms. I’m depressed. Go give me a pill.
Brad Burrow (01:07:14):
By the way, the drug rep said this would work for
Brian Price (01:07:16):
Me. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Well, this is our latest. Here’s a trip to Bahamas, you, but thankfully I’ve got Melissa over here and she’s like, let’s just get your hormones and then you
Melissa Campbell (01:07:25):
Feel and good.
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And then normally what I see is this snowball effect where we give you back what your body was making. So we increase those testosterone levels or we optimize the thyroid. What happens is you start feeling better, so you start having more energy. So you start working out, and then your eating changes because you don’t want, when you’re working out, you don’t want to go backwards by what you eat and have it destroy your progress. You want to have it help what you’re doing overall. So you start making better eating choices. Or maybe somebody like, I’ve had people who maybe one of the reasons that they couldn’t lose weight is because they like to drink a lot alcohol. Well, alcohol inhibits fat loss. So it’s like, well, every time you go and have that drink after you have been to the gym and you’ve worked out for an hour and you’re taking all your hormones, you’re doing all the things that alcohol probably sets you back about 48 hours.
Brad Burrow (01:08:32):
So
Melissa Campbell (01:08:34):
It’s a battle of knowing. But once you increase the energy levels, then it kind of snowballs and people just start doing the things automatically and they just, and you want to Yes.
Brian Price (01:08:45):
Yes. Yeah, a desire. That was me in a nutshell. I wanted, I didn’t want go home and have a beer because I knew that I just worked out. That’s going to ruin that. I don’t want to go to McDonald’s on the way home because I just worked out. So let me eat healthy. So let me continue to progress on the cycle. Okay, so now I’m working out, but my gym, am I actually getting the most out of my gym when I go there? Nope. Lemme get a trainer. And so Jill, help me with that. And so it is a snowball effect where now I feel amazing and have the energy and love life.
Melissa Campbell (01:09:15):
So that made me think of something about when you were talking about insulin resistance. So if you’re one of these people out there that is eating their protein and feel like you have a pretty good diet and you’re going to the gym and you’re doing strength training and maybe a little bit of cardio and whatnot, and you’re not seeing any results, that can absolutely happen because of insulin resistance. Because you’re not going to be able to tap into those fat stores like we were talking about, if your insulin levels are high, that is the case for a lot of people and they just don’t know
Brad Burrow (01:09:59):
It. Yeah. Alright, so that’s the perfect transition. How would somebody get ahold of you? What’s the best way to get ahold of you? I know I did it through the contact form on your webpage, but tell the listeners how they can get ahold of you.
Melissa Campbell (01:10:17):
You can go to our website and you can schedule online, or you can call the office
Brad Burrow (01:10:23):
IntelligentHealth.com or IntelligentHealthKC.com,
Melissa Campbell (01:10:26):
IntelligentHealthKC.com, or you can call us at the office and if we’re busy with the patient or it’s after hours, then we’ll call you back and schedule that way.
Brian Price (01:10:40):
And the phone number for that is nine one three four four zero four seven nine four four seven nine four. Awesome.
Melissa Campbell (01:10:47):
And we’re normally both there. Brian kind of handles the front desk and the business side of things where I do all, and I kind of stick to all the clinical stuff.
Brad Burrow (01:11:00):
By the way, I noticed the painting in the front office area was immaculate. Thanks. No elbow grease, sweat equity. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then just that first appointment, what can they expect? I mean, do you actually do blood work? I ask them to do blood work. That first appointment, you talk with them, it’s usually about an hour.
Melissa Campbell (01:11:25):
Yeah. So the first appointment, I give you a quiz, like the Adam questionnaire. If you’re a man and you’re wanting to get on testosterone or a much lengthier quiz if you’re female and it’s just, it’s grouped into different hormone categories, that kind of gives me an idea before I even meet with you what’s going on. And then we can talk about your symptoms more in depth, your past medical history. You’ll get some e-forms before you come in, consent, and just your basic stuff. And then we draw your blood levels. And then I usually have you come back in a week and we sit down together and we go over all your labs in depthly and what they mean, and we come up with a plan together
Brad Burrow (01:12:25):
And it starts then.
Melissa Campbell (01:12:27):
Yep,
Brad Burrow (01:12:27):
Yep, yep. Well, I really appreciate you guys coming on. The last thing I always have people do on the podcast is this is called In a World with Real Media, so you have to do the movie voice. Okay. So I want you both to take a shot at this. Okay. And see if you can pull it off.
Brian Price (01:12:43):
You
Brad Burrow (01:12:43):
Have to get really close to the mic and you go In A World with Real Media. Okay. Do you want to go first together? Oh, individual. Okay.
Melissa Campbell (01:12:52):
Yeah.
Brad Burrow (01:12:52):
Yeah.
Melissa Campbell (01:12:53):
In a world with Real Media, I’d
Brad Burrow (01:12:56):
Like the look on your face.
Brian Price (01:12:57):
Very serious. Alright, Brian, come on. In a world with Real Media.
Brad Burrow (01:13:02):
Perfect. You guys are going to end up on our fun reel.
Brian Price (01:13:06):
Oh, good.
Brad Burrow (01:13:08):
Well, again, thanks for coming on guys. Really amazing. A lot of great information.
Melissa Campbell (01:13:14):
Thanks for having us.
Brad Burrow (01:13:15):
Yeah, yeah. And so be sure to share this podcast. This is a really important podcast. A lot of people need to see this information and understand what’s happening. It is life changing when you think about what can actually happen. Not we, but Melissa and Brian, they can impact a lot of lives in a very positive way. So be sure to share this podcast, subscribe, tell your friends about it. It’s really, really an awesome thing. And thank you for joining us. And this is in a world, in a world with real media. This has been in a world with real media. Thanks for joining us. And be sure to subscribe on iTunes and follow real media on Facebook, Instagram, and LinkedIn. So you never miss an episode.